if we do what the president wants, which is to raise taxes on the small businesses, we will lose 700,000 jobs. or if we do what republicans want to do, keep tax rates where they are, we lose zero jobs. so your point is go over the cliff and lose $1.8 million, do what the president wants and lose 700,000 jobs or do what the republicans want and lose zero jobs. our goal is trying to get closest to losing no jobs. >> but the problem is you are not get to go the zero jobs promise. you don't have the numbers. that's your problem. you don't have the numbers or the momentum. how are you going to turn that around? >> well, you are right. and to pat's point earlier in your program, look, i wish we controlled the house, the senate and the white house. i wish the republicans had complete control because i think their policies are most conducive to economic growth. but right now what they are trying do is to negotiate in good faith with the president, earnestly putting fourth thoughtful proposals not only on revenue, but on cuts, and trying to get the president 20 move to the center. if we go over t